Grateful Dead Live at Long Beach Arena on 1987-11-15
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Digital Ambient recording by M. French 20th row near center (Phil's side) Sennheiser MKE 2002 (HRTF, worn in/on hat) > WM-D6C (dolby C)analog>CD via hardware transfer, CD master (EAC)
- 2004-07-12 09:40:00
- Long Beach, CA
- Digital Ambient recording by M. French 20th row near center (Phil's side) Sennheiser MKE 2002 (HRTF, worn in/on hat) > WM-D6C (dolby C)analog>CD via hardware transfer, CD master (EAC)
- Long Beach Arena
Subject: you know him better than me
Subject: I'll have to disagree with jboyaqar...
Subject: some splainin',.......
A couple of things if I might comment,....
The lineage on this isn't right.
Analog ambient recording by M. French "Moke"
20th row near center (Phil's side) Sennheiser MKE 2002 HRTF > WM-D6C(dolby C)analog>CD master
CD via hardware transfer, CD master (EAC)
My apologies to all that suffered through this recording. I just found this thread on this site. An explanation if I might,....
I hadn't really intended to have this recording in mass circulation. But a friend saw it on my list, and asked for it, so I kicked it down, as he said there was no other copy at the time.
These '87 Long Beach shows were the first run of shows with a newly repaired pair of mics, and a newly purchased tape deck.
I had the mics in '86, and bought the Sony WM-D6C in '87 to pair with them for the Deads '87 summer festival run, which were no taping for the large part, with dates with Dylan, and other gigs like Mtn. Aire Music Festival (8-22&23-87). There were lots of shows that summer that were off limits, and prone to searches, so the D6C was the quality small deck of the day.
The mics shorted out at Mtn. Aire (8-22-87) and had to be sent to Senn. for repair. I didn't get them back until the days before these shows (11-87). The repair left the mics hotter than they were before they were shorted, and, in combination with the new Sony D6C's mic preamp, I ended up with brickwalling. Prior to this I ran a pair of Senn MD421's dynamic cardioids -> TC-D5, which isn't as sensitive to this problem. Or, I also ran MKE2002 -> D5M, which isn't problematic in this way either.
Bottomline,.... there was a lesson learned the hard way at these shows, (back before the speed-of-light internet discussion forums shortened the learning curve).
I have just remastered this recording to 24/96 with my Grace Lunatec V3 acting as the a/d/c, and also applying a bass rolloff of V3 HPF1 of 100hz@6dB per octave. This helped tame the Phil bomb overloads, but it revealed brickwalling in the midrange as well.
It is a definite improvement to not have the bass brickwalled, and it is a more listenable recording now, but still just a 2 of 5. (thanks for the 2.5+'s,.. y'all are far too kind!) I'd be tempted to call it a 1, but,... save for the effort to master it, remaster it, and extend it to others, I'd give it a 2, barely ;)
Its more listenable now, but more thin sounding as a result, and still slightly crunchy, though not as bad as what is listed here.
I will extend the 24/96 remaster to those capable of spreading it in this new computer age. As many of you know,... I'm not very well versed in 'puter talk, so I won't be the one spreading it.
So, maybe look for it somewhere in the future, if ts something that my friends are interested in processing (again).
to the question of HRTF, and what is it?
HRTF = Head Reference/Related Transfer Function, and is very similar to baffled omni techniques like the Jecklin Disc. This is not a true binaural technique, and I called it quasi-binaural for a long time. Then I learned of *HRTF, and it was easier to list in lineage that way, so I listed HRTF.
(* a patented technique by Sonic Studios of Oregon)
Sennheiser MKE2002 Artificial Head Binaural stereo mics. Compact back-electret omni condensors w/ 9volt battery pack. 40hz->20khz with a roll-off from 140-> 40hz built into the mic design (fixed hpf);
HRTF in profile (approximately);
HRTF straight on;
Subject: Halfway decent show
Listen to 'Fire,' there's an element of urgency lacking... 'LLRain' just bores, and 'He's Gone' lacks emotional purpose.
In summation, the combination of sound blemishes and the missing 'X' factor leads this to get a thumbs down... (More of a 2 1/2 than a 2 star)
The MKE 2's and 2002's are different (but similiar mics)
I've also asked the taper about those cuts on disc2 and he has no plans on re-mastering the masters so that the cuts are no longer present...
BTW - 11-13-87 circulates as well from this same taper, running these MKE 2002's FOB
This technique (ORTF) was adopted by French Radio and uses two cardioid microphones spaced by 17cm (roughly the same as ear spacing) and angled outwards at 110 degrees. This fine technique often gives a greater sense of space than coincident techniques due to the microphones being ear spaced and thus capturing phase information as well as intensity information.
Also... What are Senn. MKE 2002's????
Is this supposed to be MKE 2's ?
Subject: The Candyman
his singing is pretty strong on this one, the guitar sound kind of synthed, typical of that day.
(12 chances in 1987; and on his comeback night, 12/15/86).
Subject: Two Songs Are Unlistenable
Too bad, really puts a damper on second set.
Hopefully the powers that be can fix someday.
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